DawnAurora
10-11-2008, 03:35 PM
Another wow..
2 Samuel 7: David wanted to build a house for the Lord equally good as the house he had just built for himself, because he felt the Lord deserved better than he himself had.
The Lord’s answer was, You can’t for essentially technical reasons, but I’ll build a house for you. Your sons will reign after you. He will build a temple for me. I will adopt him as my son. I will establish your family line forever and you will always have a son.
What the LORD didn’t tell him was…….
The forever house was because the Lord was going to name Himself as David’s son! The Lord was going to give Himself to David as a reliable son, whatever the human lineage did in Judah (in other words, Jesus trumps Manasseh!). In naming and credit, at least in part, The Father shared Jesus in ‘joint name custody’ with David? God promised David a son and that He would adopt that son, but didn’t tell him David would be adopting Him as a son?
This is another concept that it is hard to wrap English words around, but oh, my……
Any thoughts? Any other minds getting blown?
DawnAurora
10-11-2008, 03:48 PM
Matt 22: 43-45 Jesus asks the Pharisees about the son of David: “Then how does David in the Spirit call him ‘Lord,’ saying “The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I put Your enemies beneath Your feed”?” If David then calls him ‘Lord’ how is he his son?”
Jesus called himself the son of David, but never called David ‘Dad’ of course. Not a 50-50 custody. Still, the idea of the Lord Almighty Triune adopting himself out under David as a means to fill His own promise because David was so keen on Him like a child eager to honor his Father… ‘I will adopt you, and you will adopt Me’?
We are used to thinking of the Incarnation in terms of Eternal Strategy that David was lucky to be let in on. In the 2 Samuel story we see how – poignantly?- intimate and personal a relationship it was also.
LauraA
10-20-2008, 08:05 PM
Another wow..
2 Samuel 7: David wanted to build a house for the Lord equally good as the house he had just built for himself, because he felt the Lord deserved better than he himself had.
The Lord’s answer was, You can’t for essentially technical reasons, but I’ll build a house for you. Your sons will reign after you. He will build a temple for me. I will adopt him as my son. I will establish your family line forever and you will always have a son.
What the LORD didn’t tell him was…….
The forever house was because the Lord was going to name Himself as David’s son! The Lord was going to give Himself to David as a reliable son, whatever the human lineage did in Judah (in other words, Jesus trumps Manasseh!). In naming and credit, at least in part, The Father shared Jesus in ‘joint name custody’ with David? God promised David a son and that He would adopt that son, but didn’t tell him David would be adopting Him as a son?
This is another concept that it is hard to wrap English words around, but oh, my……
Any thoughts? Any other minds getting blown?
Hey Dawn, love studying the Word, but I'm not sure which verses you are refering to here. I can't find them in 2 Sam. 7. Could you go to Biblegateway.com, copy and paste them in here, then we can study them together. Sound good?
Hugs,
Laura
DawnAurora
10-22-2008, 04:23 PM
2 samuel, chapter 7. What I posted was a paraphrase. The NIV version text is here:
2 Samuel 7
God's Promise to David
1 After the king was settled in his palace and the LORD had given him rest from all his enemies around him, 2 he said to Nathan the prophet, "Here I am, living in a palace of cedar, while the ark of God remains in a tent."
3 Nathan replied to the king, "Whatever you have in mind, go ahead and do it, for the LORD is with you."
4 That night the word of the LORD came to Nathan, saying:
5 "Go and tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD says: Are you the one to build me a house to dwell in? 6 I have not dwelt in a house from the day I brought the Israelites up out of Egypt to this day. I have been moving from place to place with a tent as my dwelling. 7 Wherever I have moved with all the Israelites, did I ever say to any of their rulers whom I commanded to shepherd my people Israel, "Why have you not built me a house of cedar?" '
8 "Now then, tell my servant David, 'This is what the LORD Almighty says: I took you from the pasture and from following the flock to be ruler over my people Israel. 9 I have been with you wherever you have gone, and I have cut off all your enemies from before you. Now I will make your name great, like the names of the greatest men of the earth. 10 And I will provide a place for my people Israel and will plant them so that they can have a home of their own and no longer be disturbed. Wicked people will not oppress them anymore, as they did at the beginning 11 and have done ever since the time I appointed leaders [a] over my people Israel. I will also give you rest from all your enemies.
" 'The LORD declares to you that the LORD himself will establish a house for you: 12 When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me [b] ; your throne will be established forever.' "
17 Nathan reported to David all the words of this entire revelation.
David's Prayer
18 Then King David went in and sat before the LORD, and he said:
"Who am I, O Sovereign LORD, and what is my family, that you have brought me this far? 19 And as if this were not enough in your sight, O Sovereign LORD, you have also spoken about the future of the house of your servant. Is this your usual way of dealing with man, O Sovereign LORD ?
20 "What more can David say to you? For you know your servant, O Sovereign LORD. 21 For the sake of your word and according to your will, you have done this great thing and made it known to your servant.
22 "How great you are, O Sovereign LORD! There is no one like you, and there is no God but you, as we have heard with our own ears. 23 And who is like your people Israel—the one nation on earth that God went out to redeem as a people for himself, and to make a name for himself, and to perform great and awesome wonders by driving out nations and their gods from before your people, whom you redeemed from Egypt? [c] 24 You have established your people Israel as your very own forever, and you, O LORD, have become their God.
25 "And now, LORD God, keep forever the promise you have made concerning your servant and his house. Do as you promised, 26 so that your name will be great forever. Then men will say, 'The LORD Almighty is God over Israel!' And the house of your servant David will be established before you.
27 "O LORD Almighty, God of Israel, you have revealed this to your servant, saying, 'I will build a house for you.' So your servant has found courage to offer you this prayer. 28 O Sovereign LORD, you are God! Your words are trustworthy, and you have promised these good things to your servant. 29 Now be pleased to bless the house of your servant, that it may continue forever in your sight; for you, O Sovereign LORD, have spoken, and with your blessing the house of your servant will be blessed forever."
The whole chapter shows the tender relation between David and the Lord. The part about Christ being God the Son 'adopted' into the House of David as fulfilment of this promise is in many other prophesies and verses that I didn't put here.
Gotta run, talk later.
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